The Radical Notion That Women Are People Too: Sexism Among SPN Fans

[chasingtides]

Sexism in Supernatural, and its ensuing debate, is old news. I wrote my own meta, drawing on my experiences as a hardened horror fan, about it in September, Why Supernatural Is Like The Evil Dead. However, today, in light of what has happened with Misha Collins and his character, Castiel, I might revise that original opinion, I regret to say. More on that later.

Despite the talk about the show itself being sexist, I've never seen anyone look specifically at the sexism and misogyny present among the primarily female fans. Taking a number of things into consideration, from what has happened with Misha Collins and Castiel to the recent wank about an actor's girlfriend daring to exist, I think it's high time that someone did.

If you watched the embedded video above, you watched three actors from the show (Misha Collins, Jensen Ackles, and Jared Padalecki) and their interviewer discuss the blatant sexism in the fandom. I, for one, am embarrassed that I fall, broadly, into the same category as these misogynists.

A quick perusal of Fandom Wank (a source, which, while wanky, is a great place to find an overview of the worst of any fandom) shows us people in this fandom getting upset over (and at) women for years. We get gems like (2007-2-19) fans going after women (ex girlfriends) associated with the actors, (2007-7-12) fans getting angry that two women (Bela and Ruby) would appear in season three, (2007-11-16) people getting angry that an underage actress dares to drink and put the show into disrepute, (2008-1-21) someone is called out for bashing (literally) women in her fanfiction, and (2009-3-31) people getting angry that an actor's girlfriend exists.

Television Without Pity and its associated forums also carry their own anti-female baggage. Ruby is known as Gluby (a name smush, I have been told, of Glinda - of good witch fame - and Ruby). Of Ruby, people write things like, "I'm not going to cheer just because the character wore an expression, for once," "She tries to tell us that she is into the method acting. I wish she wasn't. You really need a talent to transfer it from your mind to outside, in her case she only stuffs her head with wild ideas," "That scene gave off way too many Ruby is too speshul to kill vibes for me," and, "What I saw was that they know about her and are waiting for her to have enough rope to hang herself." It continues with the other women. Anna gets, "It's the casting and the acting that makes Anna into such a wasted opportunity," and Jo gets, "I think if she'd been played by someone who actually looked like an adult, the character would have been far less irritating." although one fan adds, "if she were to come back as a hunter, an ally and possibly kill Gluby once and for all, I'd throw her a parade."

I debated naming names, but why should I hesitate? If you think I have interpreted your posts/language/fanfiction/meta wrongly, feel free to let me know. I am only human. If we have a discussion and you show me that I am wrong, I will change this.

The fans on LiveJournal aren't any better than the TWoP fans.

huntress69 bashes, sometimes literally, the female characters in her fiction. I remember, quite vividly, being new to fandom and reading the fic in which Sam drugs Cassie and buries her alive to keep her away from Dean. Cassie appeared in one episode in season one and was never mentioned again. I don't mean to suggest that huntress69 is unique by naming her. She is not, by any means. She is merely someone I remember clearly. Consider her an example of a genre, rather than a unique outlier.

dean_sam gets more than its share of misogyny, one of the reasons I took it off my flist. spnstoryfinders periodically gets requests for fics bashing female characters. There's the impression, in many communities, and even in personal journals, that one must clarify why or how one likes a female character. "I like Jo, but not as a love interest." "I like Ruby, but not when she was snarky."

In addition, Misha Collins threw a monkey wrench into our sexist habits. He, in my mind, takes away our excuses, negates our ability to turn a blind eye to our own internalised hatred. Before, we were able to say, "Oh, they hate anyone who takes away from Sam and Dean." If Misha is to be believed in his interviews, the Powers that Be said the same thing. They warned him that, as a guest star, he would be reviled. Instead, he has become beloved. I know. I co-mod mishaland, a rapidly growing caplock community devoted to him. And yet, we continue to revile the female characters and actresses. TPTB listened to our hatred and to our outcries. Misha Collins will be returning next season as Castiel, something that no female guest star has done. Yes, this is sexism on the part of TPTB who shouldn't do this. But the blame falls to us - we are the ones who raised the hue and cry. We are the ones who demanded to be heard.

Do I blame Misha Collins for this? No. No more than I blame Alona Tal for the fact that Jo, my personal hero, has not returned to the show. No more than I blame Kate Cassidy for being replaced by Genevieve Cortese. This blame falls to us.

This also creates a problematic binary in the fandom. Either you are for the women or you are against the women. It becomes difficult to dislike a character or an actress and not be painted with the same brush as those who have Cassie buried alive. I, for one, am not a fan of Genevieve Cortese and her Ruby. However, I greatly hesitate to say that, though I love many other female characters who have graced the screen, for saying that I find Cortese's acting to be flat is tantamount to misogyny.

This false binary is just as unfair as the great misogyny. We are, contrary to popular belief, allowed to dislike characters based on what their characters do and don't do. (I, for one, find the whole demon blood drinking bit to be more stomach turning than anything else in the show, probably for cultural signifiers.)

It also grows difficult to separate the characters from the fandom. Is Castiel, and his actor by extension, a part of the clamor of fans who love him and slam the women, presumably on the value of what's between their legs? Is Ruby, and her actress by extension, a part of the crowd that labels you sexist if you suggest that you don't like her acting? Or can we accept the characters as separate from that? Are we able to separate the actors from their characters? Does it all blend into a giant ball of hatred, anger, and wank?

I don't know the answer to this. I know that I am becoming more and more selective in the communities I read and erring ever closer to going exclusively capslock, though it seems almost irrational to go to capslock communities to avoid hatred and irrationality to an outsider. I become hesitant in friending people. I also hesitated to write this meta. I know that it will cause problems. I've been planning this for months, but it was seeing the YouTube video that spurred me on.

Whatever the answers are, whatever reasons we have or don't have, this has got to have an ending point. We are women tearing down women. We are calling women whores and sluts and worse, for what? Daring to grace our television screens? Most of these women kick ass and take names. For the most part, they're awesome (Bela's backstory and Ruby's current apparent subservience aside). Why can't we, as presumably awesome women ourselves, appreciate that?

Comments

[oatmeal-queen.livejournal.com]

I really liked the organization of this post. You pulled in a great deal of examples that are unfortunately well-known to a lot of the more sane fans in this fandom, and also brought to light some things I hadn't even heard about (yet). It's true, there is a great deal of female-character bashing from the outside perspective of those who are not interested in Show. We have become hypocritical stereotypes of ourselves with the actions of few compared to the amount of viewers that Show actually has.

What I find the most unfortunate about this issue, however, is the fact that I don't really feel like the fandom as a whole is as vicious and fanatical as we may appear. I, for one, pick and choose characters I like based on (wait for it) their characterizations. I know I'm not alone in this, but the difference between those of us who judge rationally and those who don't, are the noise they make.

I'm not an avid poster in communities. I don't voice my opinion all that often and tend to glance over the general posting of irritations, bitchings and all around wanking in favor of more interesting things. I'm also guilty of not commenting very often to the fic I read, but that doesn't mean that I don't have strong opinions about what I like and dislike, especially when it comes to the characters.
Knowing this, and recognizing that the odds of me being alone in how i feel are slim to none. it allows me to glance over the misogynistic and ludicrous fan spillings, and -not -use them as a base example to my fandom.

My voice does not reach the press, the writers, the directors or the cast because I don't voice it. Even if I did, those kinds of rationales are more than often swallowed. I see no reason to leap into an argument that will get me nowhere, as do many other silent lurkers. On the other hand, because those who are so loudly opinionated usually do have these tendencies to hate and wank and gang up on others publicly, they are the image that presents itself of -us- as a whole.

Some female characters I like, some I don't. The same works with the male ones. I'm guilty of slashing Dean/Cas, but that doesn't mean I didn't sit there and watch Dean/Anna with a great big grin on my face. The actors aren't their characters, they have relationships and marriages and families that have nothing to do with me or Show, so it's none of my business. Doesn't mean I don't blush and stutter like a moron when I get to meet them in person.

I am not the minority of this fandom; the noiseless are, in fact, the majority. If you look at it this way, the misogynists and the haters and the wankers/whiners are only representing the fandom as a whole because they are the only voices that can be heard. The rest of us, well, we are wisely keeping our peace.

but that's just my opinion X)

[chasingtides.livejournal.com]

Oh, I agree. Not everyone is a woman-bashing hater in this fandom. This post and the comments are example enough of that. And there are communities where bashing is either unusual or not tolerated (like the capslock ones).

However, it does become problematic when they're the only ones talking - or the only ones being heard. How does the old saying go? All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Perhaps the wrong gender and too religious, but the right memo.

[oatmeal-queen.livejournal.com]

LOL, ironically, that is an appropriate quote indeed :)
only problem tho, is that you see what happens when some people speak up in the opposition. Bombarded would be a good word for it.
Somehow, i feel that even if those who love the female characters were to voice their opinions, they would be met with nothing but opposition, so why bother? It would go from being a wank-fest to a fandom war. which is annoying and a serious waste of time, imo.

now, if only the writers themselves didn't think we were all a bunch of female, woman hating charlatans, then we'd be getting somewhere X)

[bellajayd.livejournal.com]

Yes to everything you've said!