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Writers of SPN, where are you getting your fucking cracked out theology?
Besides the bit where angels can become human and fallen angels aren't actually fallen angels, I want to talk to you about Uriel. Now, I will first turn to the Bastion of All Knowledge, Wikipedia. Writers, meet Wikipedia. This is the piece of technology forbidden students for being unreliable. However, it is often a good jumping off point if you have no idea what you're talking about. According to his Wikipedia page, Uriel is one of the archangels. He is the fourth archangel. In certain magic traditions, he is called upon during the calling of the quarters as the heavenly representative of the south and fire. In Christian apocrypha, he helped to rescue Jesus and his family from King Herod. He is the angel of repentance. He hung out with Abraham and Jacob and was involved with the plagues of Egypt. Possibly most importantly to this episode, Uriel can enter into the Presence of God. Let's ponder that.
Now, if even Wikipedia can tell me this about Uriel, about how he is awesome (in the traditional sense of the word) and powerful and hung out and helped really important Biblical people like Abraham and Jacob and Jesus and he can enter in the Presence of God - why the flying fuck is he doing grunt work for Castiel - who doesn't even have his own Wikipedia page? I have to go to angelfire web pages to get information on Castiel. That's how much no one cares about him except on the show.
If you wanted another grunt angel, you could have made one up wholesale (hi, Alastair, Ruby, and Anna) or gone to one of the angelfire pages and picked one out - I like Qafsiel, angel of the moon. But don't pick up one of the four archangels and make him work for the angel of Thursday - that's just dumb. (I'll take this back if it turns out that Castiel is secretly Jesus and Anna is actually Anna of New Testament fame or girl!Jesus or Mary or something crazy. Then Uriel would totally work for them.)
Now, onto the demons:
Demons are kind of fun. I actually like Ruby this episode for the first time this season. Good acting. I'm bothered that her name is Ruby and is from medieval Europe because that's not really a decent medieval European name. And there are a lot of good ones that are still used today. (If you fear research, I would suggest that people check out Wikipedia's brother-in-arms, behindthename.com. I want to know what her game is. I really really do.
Alastair. I assume that he is supposed to be a demon in the traditional sense of the word - a fallen angel. He wasn't human, isn't human, and is paying the price for disobeyed God and, likely, turning to Lucifer. He exists for the pain and suffering of humanity. He wants Anna to suffer as he suffered for disobeying God. I want to see him more often.
I see what the show was trying to do here (the anvil clued me in). Neither angels nor demons are entirely good or bad. Ruby saves people. The angels want to kill people. Demons make bad choices, but angels don't have choices. I've read these comics, too, and honestly, they didn't need anvils. They also made liberal use of moral ambiguity that I really don't see coming here.
Don't get me wrong. I love the show. It's fun. I just feel that spending about an hour on Wikipedia could make everything flow a little better. Hell, when I wrote my The Sour for the Sweet, a fic with Grigori, and Tested by Fire, a fic with demonic Sam and Dean, I did as much. I suggest they start, at the very least, by putting down the Hellblazer and Lucifer and checking out The Hierarchy of Devils. They also might want to check out The Christian Hierarchy of Angels (hint: Castiel is an Angel, making him the lowest of the low).
(In my head, Alastair is secretly Carreau right now.)
Besides the bit where angels can become human and fallen angels aren't actually fallen angels, I want to talk to you about Uriel. Now, I will first turn to the Bastion of All Knowledge, Wikipedia. Writers, meet Wikipedia. This is the piece of technology forbidden students for being unreliable. However, it is often a good jumping off point if you have no idea what you're talking about. According to his Wikipedia page, Uriel is one of the archangels. He is the fourth archangel. In certain magic traditions, he is called upon during the calling of the quarters as the heavenly representative of the south and fire. In Christian apocrypha, he helped to rescue Jesus and his family from King Herod. He is the angel of repentance. He hung out with Abraham and Jacob and was involved with the plagues of Egypt. Possibly most importantly to this episode, Uriel can enter into the Presence of God. Let's ponder that.
Now, if even Wikipedia can tell me this about Uriel, about how he is awesome (in the traditional sense of the word) and powerful and hung out and helped really important Biblical people like Abraham and Jacob and Jesus and he can enter in the Presence of God - why the flying fuck is he doing grunt work for Castiel - who doesn't even have his own Wikipedia page? I have to go to angelfire web pages to get information on Castiel. That's how much no one cares about him except on the show.
If you wanted another grunt angel, you could have made one up wholesale (hi, Alastair, Ruby, and Anna) or gone to one of the angelfire pages and picked one out - I like Qafsiel, angel of the moon. But don't pick up one of the four archangels and make him work for the angel of Thursday - that's just dumb. (I'll take this back if it turns out that Castiel is secretly Jesus and Anna is actually Anna of New Testament fame or girl!Jesus or Mary or something crazy. Then Uriel would totally work for them.)
Now, onto the demons:
Demons are kind of fun. I actually like Ruby this episode for the first time this season. Good acting. I'm bothered that her name is Ruby and is from medieval Europe because that's not really a decent medieval European name. And there are a lot of good ones that are still used today. (If you fear research, I would suggest that people check out Wikipedia's brother-in-arms, behindthename.com. I want to know what her game is. I really really do.
Alastair. I assume that he is supposed to be a demon in the traditional sense of the word - a fallen angel. He wasn't human, isn't human, and is paying the price for disobeyed God and, likely, turning to Lucifer. He exists for the pain and suffering of humanity. He wants Anna to suffer as he suffered for disobeying God. I want to see him more often.
I see what the show was trying to do here (the anvil clued me in). Neither angels nor demons are entirely good or bad. Ruby saves people. The angels want to kill people. Demons make bad choices, but angels don't have choices. I've read these comics, too, and honestly, they didn't need anvils. They also made liberal use of moral ambiguity that I really don't see coming here.
Don't get me wrong. I love the show. It's fun. I just feel that spending about an hour on Wikipedia could make everything flow a little better. Hell, when I wrote my The Sour for the Sweet, a fic with Grigori, and Tested by Fire, a fic with demonic Sam and Dean, I did as much. I suggest they start, at the very least, by putting down the Hellblazer and Lucifer and checking out The Hierarchy of Devils. They also might want to check out The Christian Hierarchy of Angels (hint: Castiel is an Angel, making him the lowest of the low).
(In my head, Alastair is secretly Carreau right now.)
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Until you're proven wrong, that might be my new canon. It would totally feed into my theory that gender and sex are two different things for demons and angels in this show. However, then there's the issue of Dean having sex with the Metatron.
However, even Anna talks about falling - that she made the choice to fall. She literally tore out her grace. She literally fell to earth. She is fallen - the angels and the demons know this and talk about this. Remember that before he fell Lucifer was one of the most favoured, if not the most favoured, angel in the heavens. I really don't see why Anna is getting special treatment unless she's actually Jesus.
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I think sex and Gender are very different things for angles and demons (not just in the show but in theology) I think, in this case, they take the sex of the host, but they may be gendered interanly - well some of the Angels are sexed. I've alwasy wondered how an angel would think of its self. I think of Mike as male, Gabe as female, but... you never know. Right?
Except Cas. has to be one of the other "named Angels" and not the guy made up in the M.A.
Odd thing about Cas and Ruby - they seem to be about the same age...
I also wonder if Anna could have been Mary Magdalen - with the refrances to sex adn the red hair? (I would rather she was Metatron)
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I hope that this wasn't the only time we see Anna, even if she has another body next time. Because she created more problems than she solved. If she's just a throw away character, I will be really frustrated.
Although, if Anna were Mary Magdalen (or Metatron) wouldn't she have seen God? (If the former, in the form of Jesus?) I mean, the Metatron, as the Metatron would have had to see God, right? And in many texts, Metatron is just a title for a really important angel, not a name?
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I also hope we see Anna again - it would be frustrating if she was a throw away cherctier.
I don't know that Mary Magdalen ever saw the face of God directly.
Metatron whould have to have. I think Metatron is one of those things that is in dispute (Like if Arch Angel is a station or a title) my first reserch on him showed that he was 'little God' or 'voice of God' and that would make me think it was a title - a high ranking Angel that was given the job of lettting the angels know what God wants them to do. But I also found a stroy of Metatron haveing been Enoch when Enoch was alive - and was translated into an Angel when his time on earth was done.
I like the first concept on Metatron better - but the story of Enoch (son of Cain - posably by his sister)is like the ultamate redemption story.