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chasingtides Jan. 8th, 2009 09:40 pm)
chasingtides Jan. 8th, 2009 09:40 pm)So I re-watched Heaven and Hell tonight. (Oh, and my father thinks that Anna is a weak, poorly written, whiny milksop. My mother likes Castiel.)
Hey, Castiel, can you get more passive? Seriously. Even when Alistair is attacking you or Uriel is being a jackass, Castiel is immensely passive.
Actually, Castiel and Sam act pretty similarly in this episode. Until Dean is threatened, neither of them do anything. Uriel and Dean act similarly - they are both verbally violent and take physical action.
What does it mean, other than my amusement at watching Uriel call Dean a monkey and Dean call Uriel junkless? (I do like it when Dean calls Uriel junkless.) I'm not entirely sure.
Sam is, by the presence of his demon blood and his faith, in a gray area. He believes that there are better things in this world (see Houses of the Holy, 2.13). He wants the angels to be the angels of his faith (see It's The Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester, 4.07). The angels, however, don't seem to be terribly pleased with Sam, despite the fact that he actually believes in them. He didn't need to see them or their wings - he knew that they were real, needed them to be real, in a way that was never true for Dean. And yet, he is the so-called Boy King - the poisoned human with the demonic powers. He is torn between using his powers for good and following the apparent will of God. What about the people who will die, he asks himself in 4.07, what about the people he can save?
Castiel, too, is in a strange place. He is angel who loves his Father and his Father's creations (4.07). However, unlike Uriel, his violent and shoot-first-ask-later counterpart, has his doubts. He wants to save, to love, to let live. He is a soldier, but he, as best he can, cares. When he and Uriel encounter Anna in Heaven and Hell (4.10), he tells he that he is sorry. She tells him he is not. In 4.07, he appears to have doubts.
Neither Sam nor Castiel take action in the same way Dean and Uriel do in 4.10. In the first scene, in the encounter in the shack, Dean and Uriel go at it like angry cats, but both Sam and Castiel hang back. Castiel turns away from Uriel and looks down. When Uriel attacks Ruby, Sam - whom we know know was in some kind of sexual relationship with her - hangs back, while Dean goes after Uriel. Dean and Uriel fight physically. Sam turns to Castiel and begs him to stop. Castiel pulls his sleepy-time fingers and removes Sam from the situation in a most nonviolent way.
Again, at the end of the episode, when the angels, demons, and Winchesters meet in the barn, both Sam and Castiel hang back. They don't fight. They are passive. Dean and Uriel both attack and fight like the soldiers that they are.
I am not sure what this means. But I do think that the parallels (Uriel:Dean, Castiel:Sam) are interesting. I think Castiel's character is evolving. I don't think he's as simple as Anna made angels out to be - he is very clearly thinking differently from Uriel in this episode. I don't think he's falling, but he and Uriel are behaving very differently and possibly toward different ends.
Hey, Castiel, can you get more passive? Seriously. Even when Alistair is attacking you or Uriel is being a jackass, Castiel is immensely passive.
Actually, Castiel and Sam act pretty similarly in this episode. Until Dean is threatened, neither of them do anything. Uriel and Dean act similarly - they are both verbally violent and take physical action.
What does it mean, other than my amusement at watching Uriel call Dean a monkey and Dean call Uriel junkless? (I do like it when Dean calls Uriel junkless.) I'm not entirely sure.
Sam is, by the presence of his demon blood and his faith, in a gray area. He believes that there are better things in this world (see Houses of the Holy, 2.13). He wants the angels to be the angels of his faith (see It's The Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester, 4.07). The angels, however, don't seem to be terribly pleased with Sam, despite the fact that he actually believes in them. He didn't need to see them or their wings - he knew that they were real, needed them to be real, in a way that was never true for Dean. And yet, he is the so-called Boy King - the poisoned human with the demonic powers. He is torn between using his powers for good and following the apparent will of God. What about the people who will die, he asks himself in 4.07, what about the people he can save?
Castiel, too, is in a strange place. He is angel who loves his Father and his Father's creations (4.07). However, unlike Uriel, his violent and shoot-first-ask-later counterpart, has his doubts. He wants to save, to love, to let live. He is a soldier, but he, as best he can, cares. When he and Uriel encounter Anna in Heaven and Hell (4.10), he tells he that he is sorry. She tells him he is not. In 4.07, he appears to have doubts.
Neither Sam nor Castiel take action in the same way Dean and Uriel do in 4.10. In the first scene, in the encounter in the shack, Dean and Uriel go at it like angry cats, but both Sam and Castiel hang back. Castiel turns away from Uriel and looks down. When Uriel attacks Ruby, Sam - whom we know know was in some kind of sexual relationship with her - hangs back, while Dean goes after Uriel. Dean and Uriel fight physically. Sam turns to Castiel and begs him to stop. Castiel pulls his sleepy-time fingers and removes Sam from the situation in a most nonviolent way.
Again, at the end of the episode, when the angels, demons, and Winchesters meet in the barn, both Sam and Castiel hang back. They don't fight. They are passive. Dean and Uriel both attack and fight like the soldiers that they are.
I am not sure what this means. But I do think that the parallels (Uriel:Dean, Castiel:Sam) are interesting. I think Castiel's character is evolving. I don't think he's as simple as Anna made angels out to be - he is very clearly thinking differently from Uriel in this episode. I don't think he's falling, but he and Uriel are behaving very differently and possibly toward different ends.
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I also find it truly interesting that the Sam folk seem to dislike Castiel and the Dean folk dislike Uriel (obviously rules about blanket generalisations apply here). I have no idea what this means, but it truly intrigues me.
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I think Samidha is the only person I've EVER talked to that likes him, lolz. But of course our circles only overlap by a few people. On my flist though, it's pretty much Uriel = die in a fire, and Castiel = love, no matter which brother owns your soul. :-)
It is a duel. *bows*
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He is like writing powers!Sam TIMES A BILLION. *epic headdesk*
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In other news - my big bang is featuring some powers Sam, but it is turning out totally different from my last multichapter powers Sam (51k), and this confuses me.
Maybe because in the other, he is evil, and this time he isn't? I dunno. But to add to the connundrum, apparently good!powers Sam = a whole new set of rules from evil!powers Sam.
*dies a tragically young death at the hands of free labor*
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I don't think Uriel is sympathetic, but I like him. He gets shit done. IMO.
And also, I don't need another theoretically morally ambiguous figure. I've got my Sam. ;)
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Sam is not morally ambiguous. His POWERS are. *harumphs* ;-)
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Sam is totally morally in the Good Side. The very fact that he freaks out and tries to use his demon powers to save lives shows that, I think. And the way he insists that Ruby take a humane body.
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ps - oh Sam, I love you. COME BACK TO MEEE. *hates hiatus*
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Note that I said "theoretically morally ambiguous." Because people give Sam so much fucking flack since the Sam/Ruby thing. Like, that it's a sign of his actual moral decline rather than his fucked up situation and/or his desperation over same.
I would not ever say that Sam wasn't on the side of good. Well okay. It could happen. If Kripke drags us there, while I kick and scream. (I don't mind evil!Sam, and I LOVE powers!Sam, but the former only in fic please... I want Sam to be redeemable!)
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Note that I said "theoretically morally ambiguous." Because people give Sam so much fucking flack since the Sam/Ruby thing.
Yes. *nodsnods* It's a good thing we know better, right? S'why we are friends. *smish*
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Aww, don't use that icon, I always cry. ALWAYS. *wibble*
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However, I'm going to assume that both Uriel and Castiel can do the eye-burny thing... and yes, that is kind of epic, except for the fact that he burninated Pam!
Although it does make her a capable, epically awesome gimp character. :D
OH PAM! *draws sparkly hearts*
(Dammit, I still haven't uploaded my "My Fandom Has Eyes" icon. lol. With hell eyes and burninated eyes on it. ;) )
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I never would have said liking him = you liking the boy's pain, but if anyone gives you crap about it, just tell them, HEY FANDOM, GUESS WHAT - YOU ALL LIKE THE BOYS IN PAIN, THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT ANGST, SUCK IT UP. *headdesk*
I thought Castiel going up against Alastair was pretty convincing of the fact that Cas can be a badass too - just too bad for him that only Sam has the power to gank the white-eyed demons. ;-)
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I do kind of wish he'd actually *do* something (more like he was at the beginning of the season) but I have hopes for post-hiatus Castiel.
Sneaky ETA: Is Sam is a milksop? He's behaving much like Castiel here...
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But, to underscore my point: HOW COULD THE SON OF THE YED BE A MILKSOP? :D
Sam wins at ALL things, I'm sorry. ;) <33333
As for Sam behaving like Castiel: In canon? In terms of how familiar we are to him, Sam came first. Sam has the background. So Castiel is acting like Sam, if anything. ;) And I don't need anyone to be an extra Sam! So therefore Castiel is meh!
I WANT SAM TO HAVE SAVED DEAN FROM HELL. THAT IS MY FANON. CASTIEL IS EXTRANEOUS.
Okay, he can burn shit. And he did bring us 4.03. But MEH.
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Like John Preston in Equilibrium. He even wishes he could feel like John. See? Perfect. *melts*