I'm having a bit of trouble deciphering quite what you're saying, so if I get it all wrong, let me know.
It seems, to me, that you're saying that you think the slash out there is mostly because people see them being emo on screen, but the incest factor squicks you because you have a brother. So you'd prefer to read RPS or Winchester/demon.
The incest in SPN doesn't quick me as much as in some other fandoms, I suppose because I view it as entirely consensual. Neither Sam nor Dean would assault or abuse the other. They would kill themselves first. I'm not concerned about that aspect. (And yes, before you ask, I do have brother. We have in fact been mistaken for a couple on several occasions, but no, never ever ever incestuous.)
I don't think it's fairly to blame the emotional incest of Sam and Dean on the actors. The writers write them this way and the directors direct them this way. This is definitely a team effort. You can't say, "Well, the actors are affectionate so the other characters in the show make jokes about them being gay and there are incestuous overtones in their language and attitude." The actors don't write the scripts. I also feel that what happens in the show and what happens in actors' lives can and should be kept separate. Whether the actors are living together, married, or can't stand each other, we should, in my opinion, take their characters as their characters, not as the people who they present themselves as in the media.
While I have written other meta on RPS (here), I do actually have serious squick issues with demonic (or angelic) sex. As we saw in Are You There God? It's Me, Dean Winchester, the possessed are still in their bodies and can experience what happens to their bodies even though they have no agency. This means that they cannot consent to the sex that they would be experiencing should the demon/angel possessing their body choose to have sex. This makes it rape. Rape, for me, is a much bigger squick than consensual incest EVER could be. Forcing someone to have sex against their will? Deeply disturbing.
Edit: Outside of the possessed/rape issue upon which I know some disagree, Sam, should he desire to have sex with a demon, does have Ruby and we did see her in a state of undress in the premiere. Who is to say that he could not have sex with her? Why would it need to be a male demon?
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Date: 2008-10-05 01:12 am (UTC)It seems, to me, that you're saying that you think the slash out there is mostly because people see them being emo on screen, but the incest factor squicks you because you have a brother. So you'd prefer to read RPS or Winchester/demon.
The incest in SPN doesn't quick me as much as in some other fandoms, I suppose because I view it as entirely consensual. Neither Sam nor Dean would assault or abuse the other. They would kill themselves first. I'm not concerned about that aspect. (And yes, before you ask, I do have brother. We have in fact been mistaken for a couple on several occasions, but no, never ever ever incestuous.)
I don't think it's fairly to blame the emotional incest of Sam and Dean on the actors. The writers write them this way and the directors direct them this way. This is definitely a team effort. You can't say, "Well, the actors are affectionate so the other characters in the show make jokes about them being gay and there are incestuous overtones in their language and attitude." The actors don't write the scripts. I also feel that what happens in the show and what happens in actors' lives can and should be kept separate. Whether the actors are living together, married, or can't stand each other, we should, in my opinion, take their characters as their characters, not as the people who they present themselves as in the media.
While I have written other meta on RPS (here), I do actually have serious squick issues with demonic (or angelic) sex. As we saw in Are You There God? It's Me, Dean Winchester, the possessed are still in their bodies and can experience what happens to their bodies even though they have no agency. This means that they cannot consent to the sex that they would be experiencing should the demon/angel possessing their body choose to have sex. This makes it rape. Rape, for me, is a much bigger squick than consensual incest EVER could be. Forcing someone to have sex against their will? Deeply disturbing.
Edit: Outside of the possessed/rape issue upon which I know some disagree, Sam, should he desire to have sex with a demon, does have Ruby and we did see her in a state of undress in the premiere. Who is to say that he could not have sex with her? Why would it need to be a male demon?