In answer to everything from "I'm going to disappoint everyone in fandom before I get any further and say that I don't think Sam and Dean are having crazy, mad, incestuous sex. Really, I don't." to "Now, you say, that's all very lovely, but why talk about this now?" I'd like to give a huge nod of agreement.
I have always said, they were raised in such isolated and claustrophobic circumstances, they have always been so physically (from the necessary touch of wiping food off faces and helping wash up, dealing with buttons and shoelaces to checking each other over for injury, knowing each other's bodies intimately from stitching wounds and wrapping sprains) and emotionally (having only each other as a constant, whether a constant irritant or a constant bulwark, no friendship outside the family was ever maintained long enough to be as important as the emotional constant of brother) intertwined, their relationship is incestuous enough, without ever adding in the sexual component.
I understand the entertainment value and titillation of sexual incest, and I also understand the use of Wincest as a tool to analyze and examine the relationship. But I think ultimately it's irrelevant to the actual relationship, which is closer than brothers, more complete in some ways than spouses or partners. The relationship is the love affair, the romance, either with or without a sexual component.
My main observation from ITB is that the characterisation of Azazel possessing someone was pretty spectacularly consistent between Pileggi's Samuel and Morgan's John. And both of them were intimidating Dean.
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Date: 2008-10-06 11:32 pm (UTC)I have always said, they were raised in such isolated and claustrophobic circumstances, they have always been so physically (from the necessary touch of wiping food off faces and helping wash up, dealing with buttons and shoelaces to checking each other over for injury, knowing each other's bodies intimately from stitching wounds and wrapping sprains) and emotionally (having only each other as a constant, whether a constant irritant or a constant bulwark, no friendship outside the family was ever maintained long enough to be as important as the emotional constant of brother) intertwined, their relationship is incestuous enough, without ever adding in the sexual component.
I understand the entertainment value and titillation of sexual incest, and I also understand the use of Wincest as a tool to analyze and examine the relationship. But I think ultimately it's irrelevant to the actual relationship, which is closer than brothers, more complete in some ways than spouses or partners. The relationship is the love affair, the romance, either with or without a sexual component.
My main observation from ITB is that the characterisation of Azazel possessing someone was pretty spectacularly consistent between Pileggi's Samuel and Morgan's John. And both of them were intimidating Dean.