It's not just showing males having strong emotions for each other. They are very intimate and that is very unusual on screen (the whole showing homosocial desire = gay fear). I cannot think of another series in which the characters are (openly) that close. It's the core of the show.
The incest doesn't squick me mainly because I also have a sibling. It's just that unconditional love does not always result in sex, especially in families. I think that platonic love involves many aspects society associates traditionally with romance (like self-sacrifice). However, I just cannot see Sam and Dean ever crossing this line because they in fact love each other. It would hurt them more than give them any comfort. I really read a lot of wincest and everything was way too emotionally unrealistic, too angsty or too schmoopy. I never really saw the right emotional state for them to have sex in the first place and to enjoy it without guilt. What I can see is gen h/c though.
As I said before, there are lots of factors which turn these two characters into a perfect bait for slash authors. Of course the guys creating our media know about slash or fanfic. It's not like we are still passing zines by snail mail and hide. We are a small group they don't know how to handle but they know we exist (see all those conventions where they keep mentioning fanfic). Kripke, Manners etc. most probably are half disturbed and half amused by it all and give us something to chew on every once in a while. The fact that Jensen and Jared are getting along so great is also shown on screen. I think if they'd hated each other we surely would perceive the show differently.
Usually fans hardly distinguish between actors or their characters. In a way actors, real life celebs, are not that different from fictional characters because they are so far away from us and we do not know them personally. They are shiny fairytales, dreams. So yes, it also influences each other, we might mix it up. RPS usually lives off the bits and pieces we get fed by the press every day or how we perceive the actors' behaviour on screen. I kind of had to separated RPS in this case because I didn't enjoy reading wincest. However, since both actors are making fun of the whole wincest stuff (which is the only normal reaction) the RPS seems to write itself. It's almost funny.
I admit I like reading rape fics. It's very cathartic for me if it is written well (I was assaulted as a child). I guess fanfic always was a catharsis for me and that's why I started hiding in it for some years. I just like reading emotional fanfic. I understand it's not every one's cup of tea, just as mine is not wincest because it doesn't give me anything I seek in a good fic, like an emotion I can relate to. That's the great thing about fanfic, there's so much out there, so many flavours and surely you can find something you like or what you need at a certain point of time in your life.
btw with demon possessions work I meant that rape fics in this cases makes sense. To be possessed is already mind rape. The fanfic is logical for me, much more logical than wincest ever could be for me.
About your edit: Actually I was just referring to giving Sam another male slash partner who is not his brother ;)
Maybe I'm still a bit unintelligible but I really feel quite bad atm and should actually stay in bed *groan* I haven't really analyzed slash or RPS in years (you get sick of it after writing a thesis about it lol).
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Date: 2008-10-05 11:27 am (UTC)The incest doesn't squick me mainly because I also have a sibling. It's just that unconditional love does not always result in sex, especially in families. I think that platonic love involves many aspects society associates traditionally with romance (like self-sacrifice). However, I just cannot see Sam and Dean ever crossing this line because they in fact love each other. It would hurt them more than give them any comfort. I really read a lot of wincest and everything was way too emotionally unrealistic, too angsty or too schmoopy. I never really saw the right emotional state for them to have sex in the first place and to enjoy it without guilt. What I can see is gen h/c though.
As I said before, there are lots of factors which turn these two characters into a perfect bait for slash authors. Of course the guys creating our media know about slash or fanfic. It's not like we are still passing zines by snail mail and hide. We are a small group they don't know how to handle but they know we exist (see all those conventions where they keep mentioning fanfic). Kripke, Manners etc. most probably are half disturbed and half amused by it all and give us something to chew on every once in a while. The fact that Jensen and Jared are getting along so great is also shown on screen. I think if they'd hated each other we surely would perceive the show differently.
Usually fans hardly distinguish between actors or their characters. In a way actors, real life celebs, are not that different from fictional characters because they are so far away from us and we do not know them personally. They are shiny fairytales, dreams. So yes, it also influences each other, we might mix it up. RPS usually lives off the bits and pieces we get fed by the press every day or how we perceive the actors' behaviour on screen. I kind of had to separated RPS in this case because I didn't enjoy reading wincest. However, since both actors are making fun of the whole wincest stuff (which is the only normal reaction) the RPS seems to write itself. It's almost funny.
I admit I like reading rape fics. It's very cathartic for me if it is written well (I was assaulted as a child). I guess fanfic always was a catharsis for me and that's why I started hiding in it for some years. I just like reading emotional fanfic. I understand it's not every one's cup of tea, just as mine is not wincest because it doesn't give me anything I seek in a good fic, like an emotion I can relate to. That's the great thing about fanfic, there's so much out there, so many flavours and surely you can find something you like or what you need at a certain point of time in your life.
btw with demon possessions work I meant that rape fics in this cases makes sense. To be possessed is already mind rape. The fanfic is logical for me, much more logical than wincest ever could be for me.
About your edit: Actually I was just referring to giving Sam another male slash partner who is not his brother ;)
Maybe I'm still a bit unintelligible but I really feel quite bad atm and should actually stay in bed *groan* I haven't really analyzed slash or RPS in years (you get sick of it after writing a thesis about it lol).