I agree with you about Sam and Dean's "emotional incest", and also that they're not having actual physical sex. I also don't think that physical sex is a natural progression of their relationship -- I think it's one possible progression, but I don't think it's by any means a given. (I love me some Wincest, but I don't think for a moment that it's canonical even between the lines.) It's very possible to feel in love with someone without feeing physical desire for them.
And I'm having a really hard time seeing any more incest in the show than Sam and Dean's emotional incest. I mean, I can see where someone could, and I can believe Kripke may mean for us to see it, but I just don't. The Samuel/Mary kiss was no more incest than if she had tripped and fallen on her dead father's body and their lips had accidentally connected. She knew it wasn't her father in there, and it wasn't her father in there (or if he is, he has no agency at all, not even enough to resist), so although the body was his, incest didn't, imo, take place.
Of course, it depends entirely on how you define incest.
And while Dean says that Mary's hot, I never got the impression that he was saying he was attracted to her. My mom was hot too, but I never wanted to mack on her. My dad was hot, but not attractive to me 'cause hey, dad.
I do, however, now want lots and lots of possessed!Samuel/Dean and Mitch/Jensen porn.
Anyway, very interesting meta -- thank you for posting it!
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Date: 2008-10-05 12:10 am (UTC)And I'm having a really hard time seeing any more incest in the show than Sam and Dean's emotional incest. I mean, I can see where someone could, and I can believe Kripke may mean for us to see it, but I just don't. The Samuel/Mary kiss was no more incest than if she had tripped and fallen on her dead father's body and their lips had accidentally connected. She knew it wasn't her father in there, and it wasn't her father in there (or if he is, he has no agency at all, not even enough to resist), so although the body was his, incest didn't, imo, take place.
Of course, it depends entirely on how you define incest.
And while Dean says that Mary's hot, I never got the impression that he was saying he was attracted to her. My mom was hot too, but I never wanted to mack on her. My dad was hot, but not attractive to me 'cause hey, dad.
I do, however, now want lots and lots of possessed!Samuel/Dean and Mitch/Jensen porn.
Anyway, very interesting meta -- thank you for posting it!