I'm happy about several things in this episode, even though I shouldn't have watched it and am like... crazy.

In any case: Dean finally told Sam what's going on in his head! That conversation at the place where Sam left for Stanford?

"All of your best memories are of leaving me!"
"I don't understand your love! You love the people who hurt you!"
"Why can't you love me the way I love you? Why can't anyone love me?! Shit! The feds!"

Also, Sam finally got to see the root of so many of Dean's complex issues (why was Sam's psych so obvious?). The fact that John left Mary, that Dean has been the kid in charge since before Sam was born. That it's not Sam who fucked up Dean but John and Mary who fucked up Dean. (Poor Dean.) Because honestly, I think Sam's always thought that it was his fault Dean is screwed up and dependent and it's not.

SAM AND DEAN ARE SOULMATES. Dr. Badass said so! HFS, they're soulmates. SAM AND DEAN ARE FUCKING SOULMATES GUYS. WHAT IS THIS MY BIG BANG IS FUCKING WRITING ITSELF RIGHT NOW ITS PRACTICALLY CANON IMMA DIE OR SOMETHING

*

Things that are bad:

IDK if it was actually a trigger (Dean is... never a trigger for me) or if I'm so stressed, it pushed me over. But the Zachariah scene? Was a very very bad thing.

This whole episode had me on edge. Totally screwed with my emotions.

I think Joshua is secretly God.

I think John actually abused Dean. I was actually a good!John fan until now. But the look on Dean's face when he talked about John coming home when Sam ran away? That was not because John yelled at him. And then God abandoning Dean after we learn John is a bastard with bastard sauce? Urgh.

Castiel blasphemed. I mean, Sassy moment ftw, but Castiel blasphemed.

Dean abandoned his amulet. No words.

Any episode where Sam is the best hope the world has for saving and he has to be the one chasing after his family and reuniting them.... might not end so well, yeah? Sam's not so good at that.
ext_21906: (fiat lux)

From: [identity profile] chasingtides.livejournal.com


There are abuse warnings with Dean, I would say. There are plenty of things he says that read to me as abuse/rape references.

(The one in this was referencing being tied up/gagged until he said yes and that this wasn't new to him, that it had been done to him before.)

That said, it's one of the reasons I like Dean, I admit, because he's pretty strong regardless of his serious issues.

From: [identity profile] optimus-life.livejournal.com


Thanks for the heads up. Can you find episodes on YouTube?
I don't think we get the channel the show airs on.
ext_21906: (crazy dance)

From: [identity profile] chasingtides.livejournal.com


Most of them, yes.

Also, if you're having trouble finding them, I can send you toward streams of them.
ext_21906: (bi pride)

From: [identity profile] chasingtides.livejournal.com


Yes. There's actually an ongoing story from the first season until today. And.... yeah, Dean and John have abuse triggers in there.

From: [identity profile] jiggawha.livejournal.com


That Mary/Zachariah bit DNW EVER! *shudder*

I think you're right about John abusing Dean :\

And I'm hoping Sam picked up the amulet...I'm going to believe that he did.....YES!

Crazy good ep!
ext_21906: (the real you)

From: [identity profile] chasingtides.livejournal.com


Because Dean referencing being gagged and beaten until he said yes before and John abusing Dean, I.. God, Dean, how did you get out of that?

From: [identity profile] cherrymmm.livejournal.com


I was thinking the gagged and beaten bit was torture in hell. Sucky John was sucky but I do not believe he was abusive. At least not in a physical way.
ext_21906: (car)

From: [identity profile] chasingtides.livejournal.com


IDK. It's being a problem for me so I'm.... not going to deal with it. But it's a problem for me.

From: [identity profile] jiggawha.livejournal.com


I'm just gonna ignore the gagged and beaten part.

Yeah.

From: [identity profile] holytaxaccntnt.livejournal.com


I think John actually abused Dean. I was actually a good!John fan until now. But the look on Dean's face when he talked about John coming home when Sam ran away? That was not because John yelled at him. And then God abandoning Dean after we learn John is a bastard with bastard sauce?
Agreed. It was horrible. He looked so.. so... heartbroken and, just wrecked.

Castiel blasphemed.
I swear I had an orgasm.

From: [identity profile] static-pixie.livejournal.com


I dunno. The one thing I will say about Sammy - when the guy sets his mind to something and decides it's the right thing to do, watch out. I sort of wonder if that wasn't the intention actually, since Sammy always does the opposite of what anyone tells him to do.

....don't read point #1 in my review if you check it out. :\

From: [identity profile] haribo.livejournal.com


Throwing away the amulet. I actually screamed at the TV and freaked my dad out. How could he? :/

From: [identity profile] earis.livejournal.com


Isn't Joshua the non-Romanization of Jesus?
ext_2955: black and white photo of flying birds and a lamp-post (SPN: John handful of regret.)

From: [identity profile] azdaja-dafema.livejournal.com


I think John actually abused Dean. I was actually a good!John fan until now. But the look on Dean's face when he talked about John coming home when Sam ran away? That was not because John yelled at him. And then God abandoning Dean after we learn John is a bastard with bastard sauce? Urgh.

I'm so confused with how to see John now. I've generally always been in the camp of "he's been a bit rubbish, but he does care for his kids, even if he treats them as soldiers sometimes and forgets that Dean/they are only children." And Dean absolutely looked up to him. I'd argue that possibly, just possibly (although don't want to be an apologist for any kind of abuse), the disappointment/anger directed towards Dean from his dad at the loss of Sam probably hit him harder than violence would have done: especially given how guilty he probably felt without their father in the mix at all. Dean looked so heartbroken at the actions of John but I'm not sure it was abuse: just a very very low point in their relations? The rows with Mary on the phone made it sound like a normal family with issues: not the idyllic one that Sam seemed to assume that Dean had before Mary died, or what John clung to, fuelling his quest for the YED.

But I babble. Thoughts?
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